Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. 22 Nosler. And the accuracy with both powders was great as well. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. I go back and forth in my head 1000 times on choices, then I will decide on what I know that I want, then I'll see something else and go back to the drawing board. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. Which action are you using and what barrel length? Either is good. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. 7mm Rem. You must log in or register to reply here. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. You say it's long action. You must log in or register to reply here. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. Piecing together a rifle build but havent settled on what I want to chamber it in. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. for my brand of hunting. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Following since I want to do the exact same thing. The 7 PRC should be built on 1:8 or 1:7.5 twist barrels to stabilize all these. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data. Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. I made the same decision not long ago and went 7mm RM, although barrel life was a consideration for me, which it probably wouldn't be on a strictly hunting rig. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. Cartridge: 7 RUM. We're doing break in on it tomorrow. Mag. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. ammo. 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. . Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. My vote would be for the 7 saum. Great availability of components and above all a barrel that will last 1500+ when used like a hunting rifle and cared for. Im thinking Id run Berger 168 or 180 in SAUM and 140 or 156 in PRC. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. $120.95. Mag. Mag. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. ADG 28 Nosler. Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. Trustpilot. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. 7RM!! Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. Minuteman. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Nonetheless, it's nice to have options Having so many options these days is a double edged sword. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. But you pay the price in recoil and that 26-inch barrel. ELD-Match ammo I shot at FTW was rated 2,975 fps on the box. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. $120.95. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . and a high B.C. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) How bout building a 280AI. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. 7mm Rem. at the muzzle. Could run the sendero lite or a bartlein magnum sporter I bet Saum simply because its a 7 and you said elk. Categories https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. I did 7remmag. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. Still, recoil is lower and ammo/components are cheaper and easier to find. Either way a shorter fat case will be better With a shorter barrel. 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I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? JavaScript is disabled. I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. Buy Now. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. In older reloading books for the 7 rum is its hauling a$$ compared current data. Mag. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. I'm the same as you. Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . Barrels are like truck tires. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. New member question. I think the 7saum is here to stay. It only makes sense, case with 8gr less capacity out running the bigger case, it's because of pressure, and lots of it. It may not display this or other websites correctly. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . The sample Hornady 180-gr. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Your results may vary.